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    <title>thunderbird &amp;mdash; Doctacosa</title>
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    <description>🪶 I&#39;m a real blog! Maybe? 🤔  Thoughts by Stéphane, often in English, parfois en français!</description>
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      <title>Finding the right email client</title>
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      <description>&lt;![CDATA[This has been bugging me for a while now.&#xA;&#xA;I want a good email client. Not something web-based, a real thing, with downloaded messages and all that. For some years now, that&#39;s been Microsoft Outlook, the giant in the room. It&#39;s been good enough, fast, stable, although I had a few nagging issues with it. The key issue is that Outlook works great for emails themselves, but anything else (calendar, contacts, notes...) assumes that you&#39;re communicating with an Exchange server. If you&#39;re like me, with custom CalDav and CardDav addresses hosted elsewhere, there&#39;s no real way to make it work. Something as simple as having your calendar and contacts hosted by Google is not possible either. It&#39;s too bad, because I can only use one facet of a software that could do so much more.&#xA;&#xA;For the calendar and contacts aspects, I had been using the built-in apps of Windows 10/11. They&#39;ve been surprisingly competent in doing what I needed: integrating with third party services while giving me reliable notifications when something scheduled was coming up. Unfortunately, Microsoft is set to deprecate those, forcing me to look for a replacement. Oddly enough, a major lack of competent calendars on Windows that also support CalDav.&#xA;&#xA;The obvious replacement for the above is the New Outlook, which is currently in beta and should have most of the features I need. Unfortunately, as it&#39;s been widely reported, the new Outlook doesn&#39;t actually work directly with your IMAP accounts: everything goes through Microsoft&#39;s servers. This is not acceptable for something that I mean to live stand-alone - I&#39;d be using webmail otherwise! As the company wants to eventually replace the current Outlook with this new version, I need to look elsewhere.&#xA;&#xA;An obvious candidate is Mozilla Thunderbird. It does it all, including the integration with third party services. I&#39;ve used it before. It&#39;s my current client at work. It&#39;s recently had a large update to overhaul its looks and give it some air of modernity. Yet there are some nagging user interface issues that annoy me. For example, it&#39;s a small thing, but the calendar will display an event stretching over several days as several individual blocks instead of a line. It makes it more difficult to read your agenda at a glance. Unrelated but still on my radar, the XMPP chat integration is functional but is really rough to use. I&#39;m hoping it gets better. All the building blocks are there, but it needs some polishing.&#xA;&#xA;My main browser, Vivaldi, has introduced mail, calendar and related features some time ago. I had really been looking forward to these, but I can&#39;t say I like its user interface. It feels cramped and somewhat counterintuitive on many points and I keep bouncing off it. Maybe it will mature over time, it would be nice to have an all-in-one solution that works well! Netscape Communicator says hello.&#xA;&#xA;After yet another search, hoping to find something new, I unearthed eM Client. My first impression was that it was like Outlook, but done right: the inbox structure is similar to my current one, while I can easily integrate my CalDav calendar and CardDav address book! Bonus, the interface is pretty customizable. I&#39;ve been using it for a few days now, and it&#39;s been holding up. I&#39;m surprised it hasn&#39;t come up earlier, since I went looking several times!&#xA;&#xA;The main thing holding me back from switching right now is that it would be more challenging to switch back if I change my mind. Any valid email client will include an importer from Outlook, since it&#39;s unavoidable. However, they usually don&#39;t include an exporter in a compatible format, so it&#39;s a one-way trip. The same goes for eM Client: you can import from Outlook or Thunderbird, but you can only export as individual .eml files. There are ways to go around this, but as someone who likes to have a way out, it&#39;s something to keep in mind!&#xA;&#xA;Side note, and I don&#39;t know what&#39;s up with this, but the Apple world is surprisingly good at offering solid options. Both MacOS and iOS have several options I&#39;d love to try if they were available on other platforms.&#xA;&#xA;Here&#39;s hoping I finally found my champion!&#xA;&#xA;#email #calendar #contacts #caldav #carddav #outlook #thunderbird #vivaldi #emclient&#xA;&#xA;- Doctacosa]]&gt;</description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This has been bugging me for a while now.</p>

<p>I want a good email client. Not something web-based, a real thing, with downloaded messages and all that. For some years now, that&#39;s been <strong>Microsoft Outlook</strong>, the giant in the room. It&#39;s been good enough, fast, stable, although I had a few nagging issues with it. The key issue is that Outlook works great for emails themselves, but anything else (calendar, contacts, notes...) assumes that you&#39;re communicating with an Exchange server. If you&#39;re like me, with custom CalDav and CardDav addresses hosted elsewhere, there&#39;s no real way to make it work. Something as simple as having your calendar and contacts hosted by Google is not possible either. It&#39;s too bad, because I can only use one facet of a software that could do so much more.</p>

<p>For the calendar and contacts aspects, I had been using the <strong>built-in apps of Windows 10/11</strong>. They&#39;ve been surprisingly competent in doing what I needed: integrating with third party services while giving me reliable notifications when something scheduled was coming up. Unfortunately, Microsoft is set to deprecate those, forcing me to look for a replacement. Oddly enough, a major lack of competent calendars on Windows that also support CalDav.</p>

<p>The obvious replacement for the above is the <strong>New Outlook</strong>, which is currently in beta and should have most of the features I need. Unfortunately, as <a href="https://office-watch.com/2023/privacy-trap-new-outlook-windows-gmail/">it&#39;s been widely reported</a>, the new Outlook doesn&#39;t actually work directly with your IMAP accounts: everything goes through Microsoft&#39;s servers. This is not acceptable for something that I mean to live stand-alone – I&#39;d be using webmail otherwise! As the company wants to eventually replace the current Outlook with this new version, I need to look elsewhere.</p>

<p>An obvious candidate is <strong>Mozilla Thunderbird</strong>. It does it all, including the integration with third party services. I&#39;ve used it before. It&#39;s my current client at work. It&#39;s recently had a large update to overhaul its looks and give it some air of modernity. Yet there are some nagging user interface issues that annoy me. For example, it&#39;s a small thing, but the calendar will display an event stretching over several days as several individual blocks instead of a line. It makes it more difficult to read your agenda at a glance. Unrelated but still on my radar, the XMPP chat integration is functional but is really rough to use. I&#39;m hoping it gets better. All the building blocks are there, but it needs some polishing.</p>

<p>My main browser, <strong>Vivaldi</strong>, has introduced mail, calendar and related features some time ago. I had really been looking forward to these, but I can&#39;t say I like its user interface. It feels cramped and somewhat counterintuitive on many points and I keep bouncing off it. Maybe it will mature over time, it would be nice to have an all-in-one solution that works well! <em>Netscape Communicator says hello.</em></p>

<p>After yet another search, hoping to find something new, I unearthed <strong>eM Client</strong>. My first impression was that it was like Outlook, but done <em>right</em>: the inbox structure is similar to my current one, while I can easily integrate my CalDav calendar and CardDav address book! Bonus, the interface is pretty customizable. I&#39;ve been using it for a few days now, and it&#39;s been holding up. I&#39;m surprised it hasn&#39;t come up earlier, since I went looking several times!</p>

<p>The main thing holding me back from switching right now is that it would be more challenging to switch back if I change my mind. Any valid email client will include an importer from Outlook, since it&#39;s unavoidable. However, they usually don&#39;t include an exporter in a compatible format, so it&#39;s a one-way trip. The same goes for eM Client: you can import from Outlook or Thunderbird, but you can only export as individual .eml files. There are ways to go around this, but as someone who likes to have a way out, it&#39;s something to keep in mind!</p>

<p>Side note, and I don&#39;t know what&#39;s up with this, but the Apple world is surprisingly good at offering solid options. Both MacOS and iOS have several options I&#39;d love to try if they were available on other platforms.</p>

<p>Here&#39;s hoping I finally found my champion!</p>

<p><a href="https://blog.interordi.com/tag:email" class="hashtag"><span>#</span><span class="p-category">email</span></a> <a href="https://blog.interordi.com/tag:calendar" class="hashtag"><span>#</span><span class="p-category">calendar</span></a> <a href="https://blog.interordi.com/tag:contacts" class="hashtag"><span>#</span><span class="p-category">contacts</span></a> <a href="https://blog.interordi.com/tag:caldav" class="hashtag"><span>#</span><span class="p-category">caldav</span></a> <a href="https://blog.interordi.com/tag:carddav" class="hashtag"><span>#</span><span class="p-category">carddav</span></a> <a href="https://blog.interordi.com/tag:outlook" class="hashtag"><span>#</span><span class="p-category">outlook</span></a> <a href="https://blog.interordi.com/tag:thunderbird" class="hashtag"><span>#</span><span class="p-category">thunderbird</span></a> <a href="https://blog.interordi.com/tag:vivaldi" class="hashtag"><span>#</span><span class="p-category">vivaldi</span></a> <a href="https://blog.interordi.com/tag:emclient" class="hashtag"><span>#</span><span class="p-category">emclient</span></a></p>

<p><em>– Doctacosa</em></p>
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